The point is, IFHE is too much of an must have. My main issue is that it means quite a bit for some BBs, yet for others it's nothing. At all. So, we just made light cruisers food for heavy cruisers and now they can't damage BBs again without IFHE, which means we got back alll the issues…thanks. Talking about IFHE it's getting changed too. CLs will with the proposed changes melt CAs, now even with a normal fire chance, when you disregard the IFHE skill (not many have more than 30mm plating looks glaringly at Moskva and Stalingrad). This will cause the ricochet of shells with a caliber up to 357 mm. This is mainly due to the fact that on many cruisers HE shells are just too useful a weapon to consider switching to AP for that potential juicy broadside. This is the thickness…, I wasn't planning on posting this but it was part of a reply to someone else's post and I thought it was worth putting up again. I feel like the changes in cruisers' platings will further increase the skill gap between players, rewarding even more good positioning, aiming and choice of proper shell. 2 talking about this. Because you're approaching the of balance from only the damage output angle, not holistically. With D2R announce, I’m starting to mental map out what I want to do. I agree that the current HE spam meta is stupid and obnoxious, but you gotta consider that for the avg player even that is too advanced. If by worthless you mean not overpowered? This would make IFHE A non mandatory pick for some of these lower tier cruisers. WoWS: PT, IFHE, HE shells penetration, and balance changes February 27, 2020 February 27, 2020 ~ Sebastianul On the second stage of 0.9.2 Public test, we’ve changed the characteristics of several ships, having analyzed their combat performance and taken player feedback into account. Re-balancing ships on a one off basis is a ton of work compared to adjusting a global object. :(, [–]FriedTreeSap 0 points1 point2 points 1 year ago (0 children), [–]GrayFoxCZ"Players are players, plans are words, and words are wind." But battleships will still be able to penetrate ships' bow and aft ends, because only the plating of the central part is changed. Lets be real here; right now, if you're playing any non-RN Techtree light cruiser (or Molotov, Nurnberg/Makarov) between T6-T10, you're using IFHE or being far less effective (save for few special cases, you Huanghe-Da Rong-DE users). Like, right now the 128mm German secondaries found on Gneisenau and Kurfurst with their 1/4 penetration rule pen exactly…31mm; Argh! [–]Faily89 4 points5 points6 points 1 year ago (2 children). [–]covfefe_rexKriegsmarine 6 points7 points8 points 1 year ago (11 children). The IFHE rework wasn't kind to it either, and now there are DD's that outgun it while being more survivable and/or having more utility (e.g. In conclusion: yeah I don't like it. Uncategorized. My beloved Haida will take a HUGE nerf from these changes as she's highly reliant on IFHE and the 25mm plating on mid tier battleships. For instance, Atlanta will no longer be able to penetrate the plating of virtually any battleship it faces, except for superstructure. Someone doesn’t know how to play Worcester. View Haru Iwanami’s profile on LinkedIn, the world’s largest professional community. Yet, it means nothing to Warspite, Bayern, SinOP or pretty much any of the 380mm+ armed BBs. I'd like to stick with what appears to be the WG strategy so far: Either CL runs IFHE and does alpha and significantly less fires (which should overall make them slightly more effective, or at least more comfortable, to reflect 4-point investment) or they don't and get their damage propped up by fires (and while we're on the topic, can we change DE & the flags to "fire chance *1.1" instead of the idiotic statistically ignorant +2%? So: Inertial Fuse for HE shells skill is increasing the penetration of HE shells by 20% and lowers the probability of causing fire by 50%. A ship captain is the person in charge of everything that happens on a commercial boat, whether that vessel is involved in commercial freight work, passenger transport, or pleasure cruises for sightseeing or fishing Ayrok here, this video explains each special captains skill points and … DDs have enough issues as it is. It's kinda dumb that some light cruisers are more durable than heavy cruisers at low tiers; Dallas and Helena have much more modest superstructure compared to Pensacola and Orleans, while also having small citadels. What the game tells you is the armour value that you can penetrate, not your actual armour penetration. Now, im pretty sure that torps and turrets have a certain % of getting knocked out, but also have an HP pool, so if possible making IFHE less likely to incapacitate, but also destroy modules would be the way to go. So you're 1mm away from penning 32. She's not exactly wanting for nerfs either at the moment either; there are multiple things about the ship that are gimped beyond reason. Even then, the suggested IFHE nerf is bit too much. Any boom that was 99% close enough to obliterating whatever it hit would at minimum be dealing permanent damage to the armor or structural integrity, and also permanently-KO any crew members who were in the region near the armor. Remember that Bayard is WG's only test mule for the whole set of changes (Smolensk and Colbert have been prototyping the plating changes, but it's the IFHE changes that are more meta-altering), and she's been out for just under three weeks as of when this post was written. Not Salty Posts. I would rather see changes to heavy cruiser AP. Italian cruisers definitely could use some buffs, regardless if IFHE is changed or not. It's not all roses here. Yeah this is why i don’t like the proposed changes: IFHE remains a must have for the most part, yet is a lot weaker. They then boost the plating of BBs making IFHE still as necessary and further cripling some ships. I mean post IFHE rework Atlanta versus totally balanced Sinop is gonna be fun..... 0 damage, 0 damage, 0 damage (100 times). Name-and-shame comments posts and comments may result in bans. I think overall this would make for a more interesting and diveres gamplay expierence, due to more niches and possible interactions. They won't be able to pen DD hulls or even BB superstructures with HE anymore. Obviously, this sucks, especially for secondary build BBs, where after that you might have lost 5/6 secondary guns on the one side you really needed them to stay alive. For now I'm more concerned this early pass only examines the CL/CA/BB interaction and completely ignores the DD gun calibres. If we are being idealistic, yeah IFHE not existing, but instead being build into some ships would be better. Without IFHE, the HE is much the same way which is why it's such a must have skill. Cruisers needed some help as they are BY FAR the squishiest ship type. The problem with the IFHE rework is there is a few ships which need some nerfs (2 of which are removed premiums) and in turn every light cruiser is now getting merged into oblivion so hard it makes YueYang nerfs look mild. 30mm of penetration is enough to serve you in cruiser-on-cruiser engagements all the way to T10 despite the plating changes, and there isn't a CL out there with both a reinforced upper belt and deck right now. This entire IFHE rework feels like it's only half done. It's very frustrating to players to lack 1mm of pen and go from doing 100% damage to 0% damage and has exactly zero historical basis. I'm going to reserve judgment and panicking until we see some in game numbers and testing. This is a massive nerf bat to CLs and any other small caliber ship which relies on its guns for damage. 在曾经的战舰世界中,最上以初始15门精度和点火率极高的155毫米舰炮扬名四海,就连战列舰也为之恐惧,将各路玩家当打儿子一样打,因而获得“最爹”之美誉。同样以洗甲板闻名的还有美国的 克利夫兰 ( 克爹 ) 、以及 圣路易斯 ( 圣爹 ) 。 因为太强大所以最上从a测的7级船 … I don't like the dynamic at Tier 6 and 7 where IFHE is needed to pen equal Tier BBs, but becomes useless against BBs when bottom tier. Making them the exact same speed as the Akizuki is stupid and lacks actual progression. Haru's HaruHaru Interview: Dangerous (ハルのハルハルインタビューでんじゃらす(デンジャラス), Haru no Haruharu Intabyū Denjarasu?) Verbessert wichtige technische Module und beherrscht die … Småland, Marceau). Discuss builds, strengths, weaknesses, and overall feel. [–][deleted] 4 points5 points6 points 1 year ago (5 children). Seeing as 0.8.7's PT has listed nothing relevant to the proposed changes, even to cruiser side/deck plating, I don't think WG is planning to implement this soon either. [–]engapol123[] 0 points1 point2 points 1 year ago (4 children). Other ContentIFHE "REWORK": 3 changes for 1 now! I'm not joking. Overwhelmingly, though, concealment expert is mandatory for nearly all ships. [–]Lord_WC 0 points1 point2 points 1 year ago (1 child). How will this affect my Khaba? [–]Vanzig 0 points1 point2 points 1 year ago (1 child), You really should learn the basics how the game works before you try to tell veterans they need to "just aim", https://wiki.wargaming.net/en/Ship:Damage_Saturation. Sure, the direct damage they deal is lacking but still potent if you know where to hit and actually hitting the intended parts of ship, pending RNGesus' blessing on hit and fire chance. These changes are just so confusing in that i don't exactly know which direction they are trying to take things. But now, ships and whole lines are based around it. Armor belts thicker than 30 mm will not be changed; There are exactly four ships that don't already have 30mm or more; DM, Salem, Worcester and Minotaur. It's broken on Harugumo and useless on Conq, this makes no sense.). [–]FriedTreeSap 1 point2 points3 points 1 year ago* (0 children). First of all i want to apologise for not posting bit earlier, but i have been having too many thoughts about the game and wargaming in general so have enough will to actually do post anything. I don't entirely disagree with you and am not opposed to reworking the intended rolls of CLs and CAs in game, but I still have several issues with how WG is going about it. You sit behind an island in Worcester all day. [–]Aken_Bosch 0 points1 point2 points 1 year ago (1 child). Crossposting memes is allowed only if the content of the meme is related to World of Warships. Which is a problem why? The reason given by WG is CL calibre guns lacked direct damage. And the increased CL HE pen that suddenly kicks in at t8 annoys me as well because it just highlights that WG apparently wants to make tier difference more impactful. I would love for there to be a meaningful reason to pick between the 155mm and 203mm guns on the Mogami, but I don't think the answer is to simply nerf the fire chance on the 155s by half. Plating of tiers VI - VII battleships is brought to the value of 26 mm. Also, you seem to ignore (or is it deliberate) that the ship you keep mentioning, Akizuki, has a MONSTROUS rate of fire, so even if you end up doing chip damage, that damage adds up real fast if you keep scoring penetrations, even on saturated areas. [–]aspects1 7 points8 points9 points 1 year ago (0 children), You coulda tl;dr this by just leaving the raw balance changes at the beginning and leaving all your opinion to the end, [–]flimbo59 7 points8 points9 points 1 year ago (0 children). USN/RU CLs). Reducing the fires for ships like Atlanta and Harugumo by a bit wouldn't kill anyone. Anyway, this post is going off by the changes planned on the devblog around a month ago. (B) Contents of lootboxes may only be posted if the lootboxes are obtainable for free in-game (Such as Supercontainers). If you "just shoot the superstructure with your HE" it will not come anywhere close to killing any ship in the entire game, because each non-citadel section of the ship only has 20-30% of the ship's total HP. You're also downplaying the benefits of not taking IFHE once the change drops: it's not strictly necessary for dealing damage, as the pen changes mean CLs can pen same-tier counterparts innately (for the first time ever at T8+, it's worth mentioning), only if you want to do half-repairable rather than fully-repairable damage to BBs. So it looks like a buff to my already very strong and beloved cruiser. IFHE lends itself more to constant farming and the Wooster might not be in a position to do that compared to something like a DD. No begging posts. That's a pretty big change, considering that right now it's shatter city if you don't take IFHE. I don't think so, pen is generally round(caliber/6), in this case 18mm. Obviously, this sucks, especially for secondary build BBs, where after that you might have lost 5/6 secondary guns on the one side you really needed them to stay alive. [–]QuithelionAP magnet (or if can't beat them, join them ) 0 points1 point2 points 1 year ago (0 children). I've played CL before IFHE were introduced. IFHE is fine as it is. [–]Zanurath 0 points1 point2 points 1 year ago (0 children). Yet, you have crazy amount of ships which would suck to play without or with less effective IFHE. No thanks, the IFHE nerfs WG proposed are more than justified, you're just trying to preserve this cancerous HE spamming meta which should've ended years ago. Now, this all said and done, I don't fundamentally disagree with any of your suggestions, on the stipulation that the -1 rule still goes away and the plating changes remain. I really don't see why it needs changing at all. Salaries, reviews, and more - all posted by employees working at Harouge Oil Operations. 1 point2 points3 points 1 year ago (0 children). [–]wazdalos 0 points1 point2 points 1 year ago (0 children). If that’s all you do then your next to worthless for your team since enemy only has to move out of the limited line of fire Worcester has from an island and neutralizes the ship. HOLAAA! (A) Posts and comments that are deemed overly toxic towards users, players, members of Wargaming staff, ethnic, or national groups will be removed and the poster will be banned without warning. Either nerf the fires or the pen (which would suck) please not both. The carrier changes, addition of these laaarge cruisers, spotting changes along with few others are already changing the way we play for the most part, but thats for the next post. Therefore making AP a much more useful tool for CAs. RMT posts (Selling, trading, or buying of goods or accounts) are not allowed. Your email address will not be published. ESTO ES HARAJUKU DAYS Y SOMOS EL HARAJUKU TEAM! I will be covering two main topics: (1) How I played Kitakaze, and (2) how Kitakaze fits into the current WoWS meta. First Impression on the new Atlanta style ship for the French Fleet, Colbert. On BB superstructure it overpens at which point you should basically use HE, but it doesn't have enough pen at range to reliably do stick in the upper belt (I get a mix of pens, shatters and richochets depending on how angled the BB is). 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